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Post by starkiller on Sept 6, 2009 12:21:57 GMT -5
Gulf of Tonkin was a partial lie at first, for those who don't know it comprised of 1 real incident and one fake one that was reported as real.
And I don't see how they and the other groups you listed makes him a puppet, and before this thread gets out of hand, create another whatever conclusion the impending debate brings will be in it's own thread.
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Post by dustbuster on Sept 7, 2009 9:16:27 GMT -5
Send a note in to the teacher that shows they do NOT have your permission. I think a lot of counties are not giving permission slips which angers me but as a parent you still have a choice. They can not force this upon your child. If they didnt send permission slips beat them to the punch and send in your own!!! I will be doing this with my child!
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Post by madisondrew on Sept 7, 2009 9:49:57 GMT -5
I had thought about doing that dustbuster but I am afraid, especially w/ the younger ones that the teacher either will not get it or ignore it altogether. I think I am just going to keep them home and either stay home or take them to the office w/ me. Then on Wed. I will send a note w/ them as to why they were absent. I just hate the position this has put us in all because of poor planning and lack of consideration by our school board.
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Post by mikek on Sept 7, 2009 10:53:42 GMT -5
I'd like to address this from the classical liberal perspective. Yes, parents fail their children. They do so all the more when they rely on government to bail them out (to use a popular buzzword). Gerald Ford said: "A government big enough to give you every thing you want, is strong enough to take everything you have". You know they're getting too big when they attempt to remove the most precious human motivator- the ability to experience the consequences of our own actions. Once this happens, learning ceases, and crisis always looms. Sometimes the best thing for Jonny, is the hot stove. The problem begins when government becomes the nanny, creates too many safety nets, and by the time the stove is experienced, the danger was never recognized and tragedy happens. Now, it's not the president's job to instill values into our children. It's his job to protect individual liberty so that each of us can have the freedom to work hard to make our own way. NOT for the government to make a way for us. The incentive for our kids to do well in school is so they can have a good job and support themselves afterword. This is the sole motivating factor that the president needs to support. What he's doing currently is continuing the collectivist mindset of big government that keeps each citizen reliant on them. Our founders were adamant that government was "force" and should never be trusted. Government was a necessary evil and when it got too big, it would always become tyrannical. We've moved beyond this and Obama is intentionally taking it further. It's patriotic to distrust government...... but of course you need to draw the line between distrust and paranoia..
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Post by dustbuster on Sept 7, 2009 11:08:19 GMT -5
I had thought about doing that dustbuster but I am afraid, especially w/ the younger ones that the teacher either will not get it or ignore it altogether. I think I am just going to keep them home and either stay home or take them to the office w/ me. Then on Wed. I will send a note w/ them as to why they were absent. I just hate the position this has put us in all because of poor planning and lack of consideration by our school board. Mine is 1st grade and I will hand her the note in the morning instructing her to give it right to her teacher ( she is usually good about it) I also told her if they show a TV show with the president she has to tell her teacher she is NOT allowed to watch it. She is fairly good at listening so I think the 2 things together her teacher should find out. You could always try calling the teacher first thing in the morning to inform her your child is NOT to watch.
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Post by liberty on Sept 7, 2009 11:26:42 GMT -5
Not sure how things work here in Madison, but in Ft White they are required to watch and there is NO opt out button. My sister was informed this last week when she called & personally talked to the principle. Her childs absence should they boycott school that day would be considered unexcused. mikek... that 'fine' line between distrust & paranoia sure seems 'finer' than ever before. As for paranoia, I personally prefer facing the truth head on, paranoia is for those unwilling to do their own research. May you find peace in what ever you parents individually decide.
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Post by magnusalistir on Sept 7, 2009 11:37:51 GMT -5
Papermoon: were you homeschooled or did you attend public/government school? I went to public school and I think I turned out well. Of course, my parents had more to do with that than public school! In fact, I was "homeschooled" in values, ethics, responsibility, curiosity, reasoning, etc. As I get older, I appreciate my childhood more and realize what a great job my parents did! That is where Madison (and a lot of the U.S.) fails its children: at home! Are parents sending their children to school equipped to learn? Do they teach them how to learn? Do they reinforce what the school is teaching? Do they even ask them about their day and discuss what they learned? Sadly, many do not. Maybe President Obama is attempting to do something to change that. His message is supposed to be about the importance of students taking responsibility for their education, challenging them to set goals and do everything they can to succeed. All of those messages are things they should be hearing at home already. But since most do not, I think it is great that the President is telling them! Whether they like Obama or not, parents should use this opportunity to have a conversation with their children. I went to public school. President Obama is a joke. He is a puppet. Its not personal. I think he is a good public speaker and he could be a good man. But look who he is working for, and I'm not talking about the US Gov't. Look at the people behind the Gov't. Google the Bilderberg Group, the J.P. Morgan family, Rockefeller, the Rothchilds, the British Empire, the Federal Reserve for crying out loud. THEY OWN US. Its a big, powerful, wealthy club, and you aren't in it!!!!!!! President Obama is doing what other presidents have done because THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME AGENDA. (Except for Kennedy and look what happened to him. But I'm sure you don't think the govt had anything to do with that. Do you remember the last speech he made before being executed? This may refresh your memory: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s2xyzcqIbQ Another example would be the Gulf of Tonkin incident. This was the excuse for the US to enter the Vietnam War. AND IT WAS A COMPLETE LIE.)They ARE NOT on your side and they DO NOT have your best interests at heart. Let me tell you why, because if they did, things wouldn't be the way they are. We wouldn't have to fight wars to make peace. We wouldn't have to worry so much about getting cancer because ALL food would be organic and safe, doctors would CURE diseases instead of suppressing symptoms and making people sicker with dangerous pharmaceuticals, we would have renewable energy and not have to murder innocent people in other countries so we can install a govt that cooperates w/ the U.S. and sells us cheap oil, there would be no secrets held by our leaders, people would share and everyone would have enough. Poverty, drugs, crime, GREED, all that would subside. Its is possible, all 6 BILLION of us can get along, or at least agree to disagree peacefully....but the powers-that-be, the ONE PERCENT of the population with all the freggin money don't want it like that. Because that would mean we wouldn't need them anymore. We wouldn't need them to fight our wars, or teach our children, we wouldn't need them to make our health better. Its time to wake up, sleepy ones. Where is your LIBERTY? How many times will the US Govt fail you before you have had enough? When its too late?? If you want to live that way, you have every right to. That is why they call this a Free country. You are free to do whatever they tell you. Go to work, buy your food, pay your light bill, get some new clothes. That is what they want you to do. Don't you dare step out of line though. Or else they are coming for you and everything you think you own. We are free to live how we want, as long as its how they say you can live. And if they can't keep control by FEAR, then they'll get it through Force. Lets take a look at Hitler. He didn't just show up one day and say, "Hey, you don't have any rights anymore." No, he used what is called Tip-Toe Totalitarianism, boiling the frog, if you will. Slow and steady is the way they work. Bit by bit they whittle us down until one day you wake up, you're 80 years old and you've done absolutely nothing in your life that has made the world a better place for anyone. Its time to WAKE UP. Follow your heart. Don't compromise who you are. Feel good. Love EVERYONE, especially those that seem to do things just to make you angry. We can change this. We have to try because the limited few that are in charge now ARE NOT giving a hill of beans about what is in our future. All they see is world domination, they want power over living human beings. Power that cannot be bought, because they already have all the pleasures that money can buy. They want power through politics, world politics. It sounds crazy to you because you live in Madison, FL. Not much wrong going on here. No military on the streets. No one burning down buildings or stepping out of line here, no sir. Marinate on this for a minute- “The apocalypse is not something which is coming. The apocalypse has arrived in major portions of the planet and it's only because we live within a bubble of incredible privilege and social insulation that we still have the luxury of anticipating the apocalypse. " Here's my solution, and you might not even have to take time off work to do it. GO TO THE STREETS. Meet your neighbor in the street and talk to them about what's happening, talk to them about what's on your mind. YELL and SHOUT. Let your voice be heard. REACH OUT to your Earth Family, your brothers and sisters. We are all in this together. No one is free when others are oppressed. Don't sit at home in your bubble of luxury and type about how things are bad and someone should do something...TAKE ACTION. Stop supporting what you KNOW IS WRONG. We vote with our wallets everyday and every time we make a purchase. Make changes in your life. EDUCATE yourself about the 'conspiracy theories", there is a lot of truth to be found in them. CHANGE your perspective of things. Do whatever you can. Wow! Do you really believe what you wrote? If so, take it to the streets if you truely feel that way. Every Saturday or every day that you can you should be on the courthouse steps, shouting to the masses, telling them what is wrong with how we are being treated and what they should be doing. Inspire them to act, take up a vocal opposition to the goverment and their stands, tell them how the people feel. That we are no longer their whipping boys, we are taking back what is ours to start with! A revolt, a peacful revolt, if it will last, but if not, you know what must be done. Rise up and take control of our nation, take it back!
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Post by madisondrew on Sept 7, 2009 14:48:41 GMT -5
Ok, I just read the text version of what Obama is supposedly going to talk to our kids about. I have to say after reading it, I feel a little creeped out by it. America do not be fooled by this man and the people behind him. He does not represent the things I want for my kids, he represents so many things that are against the values I have instilled in my children and there is no way that I want them to be influenced by him. Here is the link for the speech www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/ . You can make up your own minds but as for me, my kids will be staying home to insure they are not watching nor involved in discussions about this speech.
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Post by madisondrew on Sept 7, 2009 14:55:48 GMT -5
Interesting article I found................
Obama speech to pupils riles Republicans By Anna Fifield in Washington
Published: September 6 2009 21:50 | Last updated: September 6 2009 21:50
Encouraging children to work hard at school and set goals for themselves would hardly appear to be an incendiary message.
But the plans of Barack Obama, US president, to address students across the country on Tuesday have set off a political firestorm – the fiercest of his critics are comparing him to communist leaders Joseph Stalin and Kim Jong-il, and are accusing him of trying to indoctrinate children with “socialist” ideas.
The angry reaction is a sign of how fractious the US political scene has become after an August break characterised by debates over health reform at townhalls and on the airwaves .
It does not augur well for Mr Obama’s address to the joint Congress on Wednesday, in which he will appeal for fresh efforts to formulate a healthcare reform bill that both the Democrat and Republican parties can support. The Democrats will push ahead with their own bill if no agreement is reached by September 15.
“It shows the level of paranoia that something as innocuous as the president telling children to work hard has sparked this kind of response,” said Matthew Yglesias from the Centre for American Progress, a left-leaning think-tank. “This is an indication of the lack of willingness on the part of the Republican leadership to work with the president,” he added.
Encouraged by their success in opposing plans for healthcare reform, Republicans are looking for further opportunities to weaken the administration.
Van Jones, the president’s environmental adviser, resigned on Saturday after coming under pressure for statements he made about Republicans abusing their Congressional majority in the past to push through legislation. The campaign was spearheaded by Glenn Beck, the conservative Fox News host who last month called Mr Obama “a racist”.
The president will on Tuesday tell students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia, about the need to stay in school and work hard. Principals have been encouraged to let students watch the speech live on the White House website or on television.
The reaction has been ferocious. “As far as I am concerned, this is not civics education – it gives the appearance of creating a cult of personality,” said Steve Russell, a Republican senator from Oklahoma. “This is something you’d expect to see in North Korea or in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.”
After schools in states such as Illinois, Texas and Virginia said they would not show the speech, and some parents said they would keep their children at home, the White House promised to release a transcript so parents and teachers could decide whether to let children listen.
Mr Obama’s plan to make a speech to students is not new – President George H.W. Bush did the same in 1991, in a move that was opposed by Democrats. But the fierceness of the reaction this time shows just how deep divisions have become months after Mr Obama took office.
“A government-phobic element of the Republican party has seized the megaphone in American politics, aided and abetted by an echo chamber of rightwing radio personalities,” said Bill Galston, a fellow at the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, and a former adviser to Bill Clinton.
“This is making people who were intensely suspicious of government in the first place even more so,” he said.
Although Mr Obama is expected to emphasise the benefits of healthcare reform – even to those with insurance – during his Wednesday address to Congress, there is little that Democrats can do, said Mr Yglesius of the Centre for American Progress.
“The opposition party seems to have made a strategic decision to be in opposition,” he said. “There’s not a lot the president can do about it, except to demonstrate that it has not been the White House that is not going the extra mile.”
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Post by papredoll on Sept 7, 2009 19:01:15 GMT -5
The speech is posted on The Voice website.
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Post by liberty on Sept 7, 2009 19:08:34 GMT -5
Just to remind everyone watch Little Timmy Geithner this week, may I have some more please... Gonna raise the debt limit! You know the talking heads will be all over the speach to the childeren and Van Jones, might even expect him to let a few more go amid rising controversies.... Just to keep us distracted. Washington -- U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner asked Congress to increase the $12.1 trillion debt limit on Friday, saying it is "critically important" that they act in the next two months. Mr. Geithner, in a letter to U.S. lawmakers, said that the Treasury projects that the current debt limit could be reached as early mid-October. Increasing the limit is important to instilling confidence in global investors, Mr. Geithner said. online.wsj.com/article/SB124970470294516541.html And just so you know, this will make us WEALTHIER! Oh wait, maybe you haven't heard the more debt we have actually makes us more credible and wealthier, it's differnt for a nation than it is for you and I at home. Take a look at this, just so you understand it! Congressman Peter Stark explains it perfectly. www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbPZAMked0
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Post by starkiller on Sept 7, 2009 22:33:12 GMT -5
Ok, I just read the text version of what Obama is supposedly going to talk to our kids about. I have to say after reading it, I feel a little creeped out by it. America do not be fooled by this man and the people behind him. He does not represent the things I want for my kids, he represents so many things that are against the values I have instilled in my children and there is no way that I want them to be influenced by him. Here is the link for the speech www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/ . You can make up your own minds but as for me, my kids will be staying home to insure they are not watching nor involved in discussions about this speech. I don't see why it would creep anyone out. It doesn't creep me out and I honestly don't see anything wrong with the message. what i get from it is him giving them examples and encouragement. But again thats just my opinion.
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