Why is MCHS an "F" rated school?

[cade49]

I have read that Madison County needs better teachers and that we need more technology in the classroom to improve student performance. After years of experience with this school system, I have some strong opinions about what it wrong and what needs to be done, but I'd like to hear what others think.

[starkiller]

Complete Overhaul of School Board, Management & Teachers.

[DESTINY21]

It wouldn't surprise me if most parents/students didn't know MCHS is an "F" rated school. Communication from the district school board and high school administrators to general public has been marginal at best. Today, with our high school struggling, the MCHS administrator is allowing himself to be swallowed by politics and athletic issues. I know a few teachers and they are not pleased with efforts of this administration. My solution is simple: locate the source(s) of the problem; eliminate or correct the problem; and implement a set plan with goals in mind to improve the situation. Hire someone who is filled with energy, qualified to do the job, and won't accept failure as the norm!

[papredoll]

I'm going to speak about the majority. Take that for what you will.
It's the children. There is no way we can expect the teachers to change these kids that have never respected anyone. They are taught that disrespecting someone shows dominance and makes them better than someone else. They are not read to or taught to read at a young age. If they play sports in school, their parents don't attend the game. Many of their parents are on drugs and have been all of the child's life. These kids are raised by relatives, which immediately shows them something, or they raise their self with other kids in the same situation. This is where the gang mentality comes from be it organized or not.

How many of us have been standing in line at a convenience store when the person in front of us has a $20 bill and buys three items that cost $2 each but, have to buy them in three separate purchases because they can't do the math? They aren't sure if that $20 bill is enough to buy that $6 worth of product. These people in front of me range from 8-70 years old. Is this the school systems fault?

I knew a child that came from a large city. He and his multi-cultural group of friends were stressing about the FCAT test in 6th grade at the central school. After they took it, he said that he could have passed it in second grade. 1/3 of his friends passed it.

Scenario:
Two puppies from one litter- One is raised by a loving family that provides for it and interacts with it on a daily basis. The other dog is neglected, has to fight for food and wanders the streets, packing up with other dogs in that situation; Okay now...

You put them both in dog crates and drop them off at a kennel for a week while you go on vacation. Which dog do you think will be a problem to the other dogs and the keepers?

It's hard to tell what kind of teachers we have when the majority of students are socially unfit to be in class. Once the parents begin to care, we can start to change the schools.

[elmo]

I agree 100% papredoll, but I also know from experience that some of the teachers and administrators have become robots and not interested in making a difference. When my children were in this school system is was not uncommon for them to come home complaining about disruption in class from other students, and teachers not being able to teach the others because of this, so they had to bring home more work to do versus having QUALITY class time to do it in. I had several meetings with teachers and school officials on these issues, and so many times was told I would like to help you but my HANDS ARE TIED, if I try then the parents are on my butt for disciplining the student by making them leave the class, detention etc.

I even had a School Principal tell me that he was aware of the "bullying" from certain students but that he just couldn't rock the boat with the parent because he had received so much grief from that said parent that it was making his life difficult!!!! IMAGINE MY HORROR AS A PARENT OF A CHILD THAT WAS BEING BULLIED!

We as a society have the mindset that someone else can take care of the children that we have, be it the school, the coach, the TV, Video Game, or a grandparent or other caregiver, yet we are so backward that we can't teach BIRTH CONTROL in our schools........ What about a required PARENTING CLASS for everyone.

It is just too dang easy to have a child these days and let someone else foot the bill for their care and upbringing.

I was watching a show on tv about childbirth the other day, and this segment was on a woman who was 27 years old and was giving birth to her 9TH CHILD!!!!!!!!!!! WTF

Just remember folks this is our FUTURE!!!!!!!!

[magnusalistir]

Mar 17, 2010 21:15:45 GMT -5 papredoll said:

I'm going to speak about the majority. Take that for what you will.
It's the children. There is no way we can expect the teachers to change these kids that have never respected anyone. They are taught that disrespecting someone shows dominance and makes them better than someone else. They are not read to or taught to read at a young age. If they play sports in school, their parents don't attend the game. Many of their parents are on drugs and have been all of the child's life. These kids are raised by relatives, which immediately shows them something, or they raise their self with other kids in the same situation. This is where the gang mentality comes from be it organized or not.

How many of us have been standing in line at a convenience store when the person in front of us has a $20 bill and buys three items that cost $2 each but, have to buy them in three separate purchases because they can't do the math? They aren't sure if that $20 bill is enough to buy that $6 worth of product. These people in front of me range from 8-70 years old. Is this the school systems fault?

I knew a child that came from a large city. He and his multi-cultural group of friends were stressing about the FCAT test in 6th grade at the central school. After they took it, he said that he could have passed it in second grade. 1/3 of his friends passed it.

Scenario:
Two puppies from one litter- One is raised by a loving family that provides for it and interacts with it on a daily basis. The other dog is neglected, has to fight for food and wanders the streets, packing up with other dogs in that situation; Okay now...

You put them both in dog crates and drop them off at a kennel for a week while you go on vacation. Which dog do you think will be a problem to the other dogs and the keepers?

It's hard to tell what kind of teachers we have when the majority of students are socially unfit to be in class. Once the parents begin to care, we can start to change the schools.

Preach it Doll, preach it! Amen!

I don't know if I could have been as eloquent as you on this subject, but our sentiments are the same.

It all comes down to the kids have not been cared for or brought up with respect!

They sign ‘em up for sports and expect the coaches to pick ‘em up and take ‘em home, they don’t come to the games, the kids run the streets at night, no wonder the State hasn’t come in and take the school over yet.

When they took the paddle out of the school, they took the last bit of hope to keep kids on track. All they have now is detention and expel them. Man, that don’t scare those kids, they don’t care if they go to class or not.

Little want to be gang bangers, man what a place… Just like LA, and I don’t mean Lower Alabama.

[elmo]

Your dang right magnusalistir, when I was in school it was Corporal Punishment, and I walked the line!!!! Of course now that is "Child Abuse" Pleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! And believe me ,I as well as many of our generation know the difference, but we now have the ACLU and others to tell us because we are clearly toooo stupid to know!

I remember receiving 3 LICKS FROM THE PRINCIPAL for wearing PANTS TO SCHOOL IN THE WINTER CAUSE IT WAS dang COLD TO WEAR A SKIRT!!!!!! I'm talking late 60's here!!!!!!!!!!!

[cade49]

I agree with your comments. While there are some parents that have taught their children how to act and to learn, many have not. It is impossible for teachers to correct such issues that are at the core of their behavior problems.

On the other hand, I know that some teachers don't belong in the profession, but I think that most teachers try to do the best job possible with the many limitations they face. I know for a fact that teachers would be more successful in actually teaching if the school administration would help control student behavior. As it is today, there is a code o student conduct, but there is no consistency in its application. Teachers learn not to send misbehaving students to the administrator because they know nothing will be done about the problem. In fact, the teacher will be tagged as not being able to control the class. This is true even for major violations of the code of student conduct.

We need an administration that will clearly state the expectations for student behavior and then back it up with consistent action toward students that don't comply with the rules.

Most people would not believe the student behavior that teachers must tolerate these days. If I had acted like that when I was in school, I would have had a visit with the paddle that I would not forget.

[starkiller]

Mar 18, 2010 22:35:51 GMT -5 cade49 said:

On the other hand, I know that some teachers don't belong in the profession, but I think that most teachers try to do the best job possible with the many limitations they face. I know for a fact that teachers would be more successful in actually teaching if the school administration would help control student behavior. As it is today, there is a code o student conduct, but there is no consistency in its application. Teachers learn not to send misbehaving students to the administrator because they know nothing will be done about the problem. In fact, the teacher will be tagged as not being able to control the class. This is true even for major violations of the code of student conduct.

We need an administration that will clearly state the expectations for student behavior and then back it up with consistent action toward students that don't comply with the rules.

Most people would not believe the student behavior that teachers must tolerate these days. If I had acted like that when I was in school, I would have had a visit with the paddle that I would not forget.

And this is the biggest problem, and why I state that the school system, needs fresh faces everywhere.

1. Get rid of the school board members who don't have the backs of the teachers and management, esp the ones who allow the plagiarist and people of similar ethics to work with the kids.

2. Get Rid of management that won't stand up to the school board and won't back the teachers call and stand up to the parents.

3. Get Rid of the teachers who shouldn't be teaching.

Until 1 & 2 Happen, 3 isn't even worth spitting at.

Considering the ACLU issues and other massive displays of ignorance. It's no surprise the school is F-Rated.

[DESTINY21]

Start with the district school board members and MCHS principal...new slate with new people. Get someone in office who are truly concerned about the students and not, repeat, not their paychecks. Hire qualified teachers using the same theory...produce or be fired!!!

[cade49]

The kids learn early in Madison that there are no consequences to bad behavior. Spend a few days at Madison County Central School and you will see that all but one of the administrators should be fired. They don't backup the teachers at all and they blame the teachers for everything. The teachers are not even allowed to give the students failing grades. They are forced to give the students some easy worksheet and then to change the grade to a D or C. These students then hit the high school with an expectation that everything will be given to them and they carry the same attitude into life because nothing has ever been required of them. This is the situation and until we have completely new administration from top to bottom, things will not change.

[theenforcer]

Yet the majority of voters keep electing the same people .

[DESTINY21]

Based on a survey I conducted recently...it is amazing how many adults don't know that MCHS is an "F" rated school. I keep hearing the parents don't receive much information about what's happening in the school system, not from the school administrators or teachers, nor from the school board. Is it just me or the whole county seems to be living in some kinda of "alternate world".

[eddie]

Why is MCHS an "F" rated school? A better question would be, "Why did it take so long?"

There is good news. If they can get another "F" rating, the State will step in with the resources necessary to fix the problems and school vouchers become available to any student of the school for the asking.

Come on, MCHS! You can do it. Don't settle again for a "D" or a "C". Who wants to go to a "D" or "C" rated school, anyway? One more "F" and things will start getting better in rapid order.

I have thought, for a number of years, that someone should run for School Super on the platform of, "I'll gurantee you the F's that we need to get some change for the better."

[elmo]

Eddie

I believe that pride and commitment in this community and in our children should be the backbone of improving our schools here in Madison County, but I am also a realist, and that is not going to happen. You see the folks that have money send their kids to private school for their education because they know they are not going to get it in the public school system in this county. So you are left with underachievers, teen moms and kids that receive little to no discipline. I mean why do I need an education when I can get public assistance for my needs.

We are raising kids that have no clue as to what they want for their future and parents that don't give a dang either. So I guess my point is, why should we expect anything more from our administrators of this school system, they are like robots, show up for work, earn a paycheck and and wait on my State Retirement to kick in.

Years ago one of my children had enough credits to graduate early, was told by this school system that they could not do that, it was a numbers thing, if they did not have the enrollment then they would not have funds and would be empty, so my child as well as countless others I am sure had to go another year, sad.

With Madison losing jobs on a daily basis, pretty soon they may have to close the school because there will be no one left to attend.

My point being, yea lets just sit back and let the State clean it up, why bother, the kids don't, good lesson we will teach on that one!