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Post by geegee on Oct 19, 2009 7:23:10 GMT -5
No problem Laura. We can agree to disagree if that is OK with you. The only reason I pay taxes is because it is the law.
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Post by mikek on Oct 19, 2009 9:14:51 GMT -5
There are very good arguments both for and against the death penalty. The arguments are philosophical and as such are very important. In order for something to be truly ethical, the underlying philosophy must be logically sound. Something cannot be both "a" and not "a" at the same time and in the same context.
In this situation the underlying question is: is it ever "right" to take a life?
Most of us can immediately think of situations where we would be perfectly justified in actions that result in the death of another; such as preventing a murder by shooting the offender. However, these have subtle characteristics and underlying motives that must be explored in greater detail.
Police officers are never trained to "kill". They are trained to "stop" aggression. The best and most reliable way to do that is to use a firearm, aimed center mass. The resulting death of the bad-guy is an unintended consequence. Arguably, this is nothing more than semantics, but I believe it is VERY important to cultivate this underlying ethos instead of perpetuating the vigilante justice mentality. Training officers to shoot center mass (as opposed to trying to maim an attacker) saves the officer's life - there is no Hollywood 'hand-shooting' in real life. Remember, deadly "force" is not the same as killing. It simply carries the potential for death or great bodily harm. It's about intent.
Likewise, citizens must also understand and cultivate this mentality. Legally, they can use whatever force necessary up to and including deadly force to stop the aggression of another. It's not about "killing" it's about "stopping". If there is no imminent danger, there is no justification for using deadly force - its about intent.
When it comes to the death penalty, the question remains, what justification does the government have to take the life of another? It's no longer defensive "in the moment". It becomes a cold and methodical act. Is it ethical to do so? And on what logical grounds? Once again, it's about intent.
So when people argue for and against, its never as simple as "I like killin"... or "I hug trees". It goes far deeper.
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Post by Laura on Oct 22, 2009 8:37:53 GMT -5
This is quoted from Thomas Paine. One of the founders of our country. Go figure...
"People in general do not know what wickedness there is in this pretended word of God. Brought up in habits of superstition, they take it for granted that the Bible is true, and that it is good; they permit themselves not to doubt of it, and they carry the ideas they form of the benevolence of the Almighty to the book which they have been taught to believe was written by his authority. Good heavens! it is quite another thing; it is a book of lies, wickedness, and blasphemy; for what can be greater blasphemy than to ascribe the wickedness of man to the orders of the Almighty?" - The Age of Reason, Part 2, 1795
The Bible is meant to control those who allow it. And that happens to be most of the American population. Those who feel the Bible is myth are looked down upon and ridiculed, and they turn away from the whole aspect of spirituality and many never seek to know "God" in another other sense. This is just another positive effect for those who run this country. As long as we do not seek our true origins, we will continue to maim and murder each other, usually in the name of "God".
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Post by elmerspear on Oct 23, 2009 5:33:44 GMT -5
Laura I am not sure how God or Thomas Paine or anyone else that you want to find got into this discussion- this started out as an alert about a scum bag cocaine runner, who 22 years ago, shot a 28 year old Florida State Trooper in cold blooded murder. It is time that this guy pay for his horrible deed and be executed. I am tired of feeding all of these creeps. If I was elected to governor I would assure everyone that I would have no problem executing every last one of these folks and stop this drain on our society. This dirt bag first stole our state of a young trooper and for the past 22 years been stealing resources from our state that can be better used for other projects. He, and the rest of his ilk, had a chance to live to a ripe old age but they all did something so bad that a court sentenced them to death. It is time for death to come.
Then let them stand before God (for all of you that are concerned about God) and see how God evaluates them.
If you are into feeling so sorry for these creeps how about putting some razor wire about your home and asking the governor to send some of them to live with you. If you do, tell me as I will be sure all of my guns are loaded and ready. Elmer Spear
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Post by thevoice on Oct 23, 2009 9:41:50 GMT -5
Elmer - That is scarey thinking ---------the part about you being governer! The Voice will need more cameras!! ;D
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Post by sparkles on Nov 1, 2009 6:13:39 GMT -5
If capital punishment was carried out in the right order, killing would be slowed dpwn and the prison cells woulld have less attendents and maybe our taxes would go down,
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