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Post by kheiron on Apr 30, 2010 11:06:19 GMT -5
Hi, (New here, 1st post A friend of my sons, was recently pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, Then he was asked if he was carrying any illegal drugs or weapons, He replied "no" Then was asked if they could search his car Him being a 20 yr old boy, He didn't dare say no, or question their authority, so he said yes. The Officer searched his car, and found nothing, Then the K9 unit came, and the drug dog searched his car, again nothing. But the officer with the Dog was extremely rude. Then He and his female passenger were both physically searched, even under their clothes. Still nothing. They were finally let go, with a warning to wear his seat belt. They came to my house after this happened, and were visibly shaken up, mad, confused, and hurt, and felt harassed because they were a white male and a black female hanging out together. They are young, and over it, I however am not. I am so sick and tired of "Selective" young people in this town getting harassed. Does anyone know what would have happened if this boy said no to the search? there was no probable cause.
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Post by papredoll on Apr 30, 2010 21:46:49 GMT -5
There's always 2 sides to every story. Were these to people arrested previously on drug or drug paraphernalia charges?
If they refused the search, they wouldn't have searched. They would more than likely bring the K-9 to sniff around the car. If the dog indicated drugs, then the car would be searched regardless of permission. If not, that would have been the end of it.
They experienced a rare occurrence in Florida though - not getting a seatbelt ticket. That was a very lenient cop.
I'm not seeing the "selective" part of this stop. Not wearing a seatbelt is a reason to be stopped.
Was this city or county police?
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Post by starkiller on May 1, 2010 11:30:01 GMT -5
If they refused the search, they wouldn't have searched. They would more than likely bring the K-9 to sniff around the car. If the dog indicated drugs, then the car would be searched regardless of permission. If not, that would have been the end of it. She stated, they had no idea about being able to be refused. I was among the large group of people who do not know you can refuse up until 2 years ago. Also being a white male and black female, makes it even harder emotionally and socially in small towns and even big towns. I know from personall exp. They experienced a rare occurrence in Florida though - not getting a seatbelt ticket. That was a very lenient cop. I would say thats a tit for tat considering nothing was found and they couple if what was posted was true, was visibly upset. I'm not seeing the "selective" part of this stop. Not wearing a seatbelt is a reason to be stopped. Selective stop no. Selective search, that might be true, it does seem excessive to search them after finding nothing in the car.
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Post by theenforcer on May 1, 2010 15:58:05 GMT -5
I learned in Civics class in the 9th grade in Pennsylvania back in 1966 that one could refuse a search in this type of situation . It is called the 4th Amendment to the Constitution . If the authorities want to search that badly , let them get a judge to issue a warrant . I can see how people from a small town could be intimidated in a situation like this .
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Post by keithward on May 1, 2010 19:17:43 GMT -5
WELCOME TO THE BOARD!!!!
There are 2 sides to everything.
Was it a city or county officer that made the stop?
Who was the K9 officer?
Answer those two questions and the other side will probably be exposed as "normal activity for those officers" or "the story is probably bull because those officers don't act like that". Answer those two questions and it will paint a better picture.
The stop was probably not selective based on the seat belt violation.
Every search on the other hand is selective. If a vehicle is stopped most officers see or "feel" something during the stop to ask to search it. Officers stop multiple cars every day but only search a "select" few. So there is no question this search was selective. Now the question is what added that factor? Was it the boys attitude? was he nervous? does he have a history with the law? I dunno.
From what I understand both the Madison Police and the Madison Sheriff have open door polices on complaints. Maybe you should explore the avenue of filing a formal complaint with the departments.
As far as them searching the individuals this is not uncommon if they did not find anything in the vehicle. The best place to hide drugs during a traffic stop is on ones person in a place that is close to privates because most cops are lazy. I highly doubt they checked under there cloths unless there was both a male and female officer present and as far as I know there is only one female patrol officer in Madison.
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Post by kheiron on May 3, 2010 8:37:47 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] There's always 2 sides to every story. Were these to people arrested previously on drug or drug paraphernalia charges?[/glow] Yes, they were recently arrested, for Drug Paraphanalia charges, and it was dismissed, due to the way the police handled it that time too. believe me, I dont think these kids are angels, but I also think that the time they were arrested was due to their race differences. They were sitting at lake frances, talking and eating, and a cop thought that was suspicious enough to search their car. and the kids said sure, go ahead. [glow=red,2,300] I'm not seeing the "selective" part of this stop. Not wearing a seatbelt is a reason to be stopped[/glow] I have no problem with them being stopped, and I think they should have been ticketed. I dont think there was any need for the car search, k9 car search, and body search. I am not sure if it was city or county police, but there was a woman there, that searched the female. So now we know one of the officers. Like I said, they arent angels, but they arent rude, they are very polite kids, They might partake in a little green every now and then, but they arent drug dealers, they dont get into mischeif. they dont hang out in town, (like the kids at Winn Dixie with their alchohol and drugs) They are now being followed frequently, There is nothing illegal in their car, or on their person, and they are now wearing their Seatbelts regularly. So maybe they learned their lesson, But I still think it was excessive, and I think it was personal. I still think it was wrong. [glow=red,2,300] Was it a city or county officer that made the stop?
Who was the K9 officer?
Answer those two questions and the other side will probably be exposed as "normal activity for those officers" or "the story is probably bull because those officers don't act like that". Answer those two questions and it will paint a better picture[/glow] I will get the answers to these questions Now for a forum question, how do I quote people? I tried to highlight what I wanted to quote, then hit quote, but it quoted the whole post.
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Post by kheiron on May 3, 2010 8:46:40 GMT -5
I learned in Civics class in the 9th grade in Pennsylvania back in 1966 that one could refuse a search in this type of situation . It is called the 4th Amendment to the Constitution . If the authorities want to search that badly , let them get a judge to issue a warrant . I can see how people from a small town could be intimidated in a situation like this . Thats what I told them, but it really doesn't help, More than likely, the judge will issue a warrant, all the officer has to say is that he smelled marijuana smoke, whether he did or not. and they would be tied up for hours, for this. But, I did tell them, that next time they feel like they are being harassed, and there was no reason for the search, and they were not doing anything illegal, or had anything Illegal on them, that if they make the police jump through those hoops (getting a warrant etc.) That it would be worth it, just to make the police stop harassing them.
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Post by thevoice on May 3, 2010 10:38:31 GMT -5
Aahh. The gold car. I was there at Lake Francis that night. This was my first second arrest video I believe. There was a pot pipe in plain view on the floorboard of the driver's seat. The reason they were even noticed was that they were parked in front of the sign that says "No parking after dark" or something to that effect. I don't know if they were smoking weed at that time but as soon as the driver opened the window, I could smell the pipe and I was 15 feet away. The officers did give both of them the opportunity to "come clean" and were going to make them break the pipes (one pipe in the other subject's purse) and let them be on their way. They lied 'till the end. One cop was even looking at the passenger's pipe in plain view in an open purse and that person still said there was nothing illegal in there.
I agree that these two people don't hang out in the parking lots at night. As far as being polite, the passenger was warned that repeating a statement like one that he/she made would land he/she in jail. The driver said, "It's not like it's kilos". I though that was funny. The cops didn't. I actually have this entire event on video. I felt bad for these two. I could tell that the were mellow kids and not the typical trouble makers.
Moral of that story is: Don't smoke weed in public, especially when you're going to be the only car around and parked illegally.
I'm very familiar with both of these officers now and their way of operating. Race had nothing to do with this particualr stop. They tried to give them a way out.
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Post by ADMIN on May 4, 2010 6:11:17 GMT -5
Now for a forum question, how do I quote people? I tried to highlight what I wanted to quote, then hit quote, but it quoted the whole post. Hit the quote button then just remove the content in the post you want to get rid of. Make sure you leave the closer [/quote] at the end to close it out then type your answer to the quote below the closer. At this time we don't have the ability to quote highlighted sections, but it is being worked on Thanks, ADMIN
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Post by dobbie on May 4, 2010 10:47:31 GMT -5
I;m glad that our officers are on their job. Thank you. I have a son as well as others in the armed forces protecting those that have nothing better to do than break the law.
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Post by fireball on May 13, 2010 21:49:11 GMT -5
She stated, they had no idea about being able to be refused. I was among the large group of people who do not know you can refuse up until 2 years ago. I don't understand this, When a cop ASKS you to search what made you think you didn't have a choice? If the cop asks you its obviously a question that he is looking for a response with. If you didn't have the right to refuse I'm sure the cop would say "Step out of the vehicle why I search it" Am I wrong for wondering why people are so oblivious?
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Post by thevoice on May 14, 2010 7:13:33 GMT -5
I have witnessed this scenario SOOO many times in the past months. It's as if people freak out and forget. Even the most experienced of drug smugglers agree to a search, knowing they are about to get caught. Go figure!
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Post by starkiller on May 19, 2010 11:43:11 GMT -5
She stated, they had no idea about being able to be refused. I was among the large group of people who do not know you can refuse up until 2 years ago. I don't understand this, When a cop ASKS you to search what made you think you didn't have a choice? If the cop asks you its obviously a question that he is looking for a response with. If you didn't have the right to refuse I'm sure the cop would say "Step out of the vehicle why I search it" Am I wrong for wondering why people are so oblivious? Because when you hear the words, Would you mind if/can I search your vehicle and you don't know the law, you don't know what to expect from them when you say no. Also not to mention the fact that there are crooked cops and you don't know what they will try to do as well and then do to cover up what they do. I am not saying anyone on the police force in MC is corrupt, but you never know who your really dealing with.
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Post by offender on May 19, 2010 18:15:14 GMT -5
while i have never been searched...(i dont do anything wrong most of the time ) my opinion is this with the K-9...I have a bulldog that can bark, catch, jump in truck, stay, or scratch whenever and whereever, I want her too. My point is..if you refuse, the dogs CAN and probably are trained to alert on the "Pope Mobile" with a certain jerk of the leash, or a here boy command. you can teach a dog to do anything you want with time and patience. So say yes or not, if the cops want to search your car...they WILL. they get to have tinted windows on their personal vehicle while YOU cant right? lol. just dont break the law, its not on your side!
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Post by thevoice on May 19, 2010 18:19:21 GMT -5
I have tons of footage where the K-9 wouldn't hit on a car. It's just makes for a boring video.
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