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Post by canadianbacon on Aug 30, 2009 12:15:59 GMT -5
To me it looked like a few people trying to make the crowd think they care about the "Christians" and would do anything for God, despite the ACLU lawsuit. I can understand one of them trying to take credit after his big plagiarism bust. I can also see why HE would think this childish act was going to help raise his gutter level standing in the community up to the curb. Instead I think it reinforced what I always thought of him. What's scary is how many people will blindly follow this kind of crap. This would have been a good time to blow one of those cannister horns until it ran out of air. You could pass it of as "It's my Horny Religion". I bet over half the people in the crowd followed along in fear of what the person standing next to them was thinking. Doll, you hit the nail on the head with the last line of your comment. So many want to yell from the rooftops about freedom but how many of those same people follow the crowd because they don't want to answer the questioning looks from their neighbors. Sad when it comes down to it many won't practice the freedoms they claim to hold so dear for fear of a tarnished public image.
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Post by papredoll on Aug 31, 2009 9:56:13 GMT -5
Elmer-I saw where you commented on one of the "Prayer at the game" videos and Jacob deleted it. Fear not...I grabbed it:
*Madison County School Board you need to fire ALL the coaches that participated in the football game last night. How stupid can these coaches be??? Someone needs to wake up. Maybe it is time for us taxpayers to demand that you fire them and abide by the law. Shame on them for teaching our students that it is ok to break the law. And in the name of Christianity!!! Shame on you!!"*
I couldn't have said this better myself! Do the laws not appy to Madison?
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Post by madisonnative on Aug 31, 2009 11:56:17 GMT -5
Papredoll I think that most of the problems that Madison is having is rooted in very childish games by employees of Greene Publishing. They are playing us all against each other and sitting back and giggling. I may be wrong but that is my opinion. And they are doing it in the name of Christianity. It seems to me that there are Christians and then there are Radical Religious Bigots. I know a lot of wonderful Christians in Madison and then there are the Radical Religious Bigots that wear the cloak of Christianity and it is not difficult to figure out which is which.
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Post by elmo on Aug 31, 2009 12:02:13 GMT -5
Just came back from a 4 day trip to NYC, walked around Times Square at night, rode a subway, visited China Town, walked the streets at night, 4 women by the way and I FELT SAFER THERE THAN I DO IN MY OWN COMMUNITY because of all the retribution one receives in this town if their views are outside the BOX!!! I come home and read what happened at the Cowboy Game and just shake my head. I for the life of me will never understand why this group of community leaders, school staff, and those whose pockets are lined with the hypocrisy of the church groups and leaders in this community that just don't seem to "GET IT"
You have your belief in your God, I have mine. I do not shove my belief down your throat and you have no right to shove yours down mine. Federal Law states there can be no School Sponsored Prayer, if you take over the microphone on a ball field you just violated the law. It is there for a reason, because of diverse difference in our beliefs you are not being fair to those that may not believe in the same god you do, therefore you are stepping on my toes!! I also read the comment from someone wanting to know who the Mike Kirkland was, just a prime example of someone trying to get the info so they can do something to this person or his property, yeah some Christian community you people are in.
And sometimes it is not for fear of a Tarnished Public Image as it is RETRIBUTION!!! And some of us are all to familiar with that in Madison. I for one hope that the ACLU comes down HARD ON THIS!!!! You can even raise my taxes if it would help that outcome!
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Post by canadianbacon on Aug 31, 2009 19:06:59 GMT -5
Just came back from a 4 day trip to NYC, walked around Times Square at night, rode a subway, visited China Town, walked the streets at night, 4 women by the way and I FELT SAFER THERE THAN I DO IN MY OWN COMMUNITY because of all the retribution one receives in this town if their views are outside the BOX!!! I come home and read what happened at the Cowboy Game and just shake my head. I for the life of me will never understand why this group of community leaders, school staff, and those whose pockets are lined with the hypocrisy of the church groups and leaders in this community that just don't seem to "GET IT" You have your belief in your God, I have mine. I do not shove my belief down your throat and you have no right to shove yours down mine. Federal Law states there can be no School Sponsored Prayer, if you take over the microphone on a ball field you just violated the law. It is there for a reason, because of diverse difference in our beliefs you are not being fair to those that may not believe in the same god you do, therefore you are stepping on my toes!! I also read the comment from someone wanting to know who the Mike Kirkland was, just a prime example of someone trying to get the info so they can do something to this person or his property, yeah some Christian community you people are in. And sometimes it is not for fear of a Tarnished Public Image as it is RETRIBUTION!!! And some of us are all to familiar with that in Madison. I for one hope that the ACLU comes down HARD ON THIS!!!! You can even raise my taxes if it would help that outcome! Retribution, much better word. Thank you elmo! Not to get too far off the subject, I speak from personal experience though not on this particular issue, fortunately for me it was a futile effort with unsubstantiated accusations and lies and the outcome was in my favor. Unfortunately for others in Madison the words of certain people (I refuse to call these certain people Christians, I myself have seen differently and if this group of folks represented Christianity most would want no part of it) seem to carry some weight or used to anyway and have caused pain to others who would not conform, back down, or just plain shut up. There is a saying something to the effect of "O how the mighty have fallen", I am sure this also applies to those who see themselves as mighty even if the rest of us don't. Sorry for the rant just had to put my own personal 2 cents in
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Post by elmo on Sept 1, 2009 11:02:32 GMT -5
They shall lay hands on you andpersecute you,deliveringyou up to the synagogues,and into prisons,being brought before Kings and rulers for my name sake. This is only a spiritual warfare. Lets see who wins. The aclu may win a battle,but God will win the war. Dobbie, was that a slam against the Jewish Faith?? And who is going to lay a hand on me and persecute me, YOU?? Your belief not mine.
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Post by mikek on Sept 1, 2009 11:11:45 GMT -5
Good catch elmo. Dobbie, I know you didn't ask, but i wanted to explain part of the reason I walked away from christianity. I'm not saying YOU are doing this by the way but your post reminded me of others who did so I'm using it as a starting point for dialogue. Many christians breed hatred and violence and justify the acts by scripture. Now, they are perfectly justified in doing so, it's in there, black and white, interpreted and approved by seminary trained and ordained ministers. Many christians preach loving one's neighbor, but they interpret that to mean their "christian" neighbors. Their logic is this: since god will send the unbeliever to hell for eternity, and since if that person is not "for him" he's "against him", it's ok to treat them less than human. From this type of reasoning we get christians murdering abortion clinic doctors and bombing gay bars. I have christian friends that stand up against this sort of behavior and I appreciate them. But as for me and MY house, we will stand with reason over faith. Don't let my little "testimony" here cause you grief, I'm glad you willingly participate in these discussions even though you disagree with most of our banter. It shows that we can be civil and still speak our minds, even bluntly (which I appreciate)
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Post by liberty on Sept 1, 2009 18:38:33 GMT -5
Mikek.... Many christians preach loving one's neighbor, but they interpret that to mean their "christian" neighbors
In my experience, it's my own christian brothers and sisters that have treated me worse than any other faith. Piety & self righteousness seems to demand that you kick em when they're down.
I avoid organized religion at all costs but I love discussions with anyone, no matter their beliefs or lack there of about spiritual matters. Once you get the dogma out you can find common ground with almost anyone.... just my 2 cents.
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Post by mikek on Sept 1, 2009 19:04:53 GMT -5
Good post Mr. Liberty. My wife mentioned the other day that her atheist friends are easily the most non-judgmental and caring people, especially compared to the many more christian friends she's had over the years. I tend to think people are people and we all suck at various things, perhaps christians just have more reasons to be bitter. I know i did. BTW, any Christian on this forum PLEASE feel free to jump in and discuss YOUR views as well. I promise you won't be treated badly. I may use harsh language, but it's all in fun. Well, fun for me but I invite you to join my fun.
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Post by Laura on Sept 1, 2009 20:59:35 GMT -5
The prayer thing is just one more arguement to divide and conquer the masses. If we keep fighting amongst ourselves, the elite never have to lift a finger to be in control of us.
There are many paths to God. Everyone has to find his or her own truth.
I mean, I thought praying was good. Isn't praying good? I would want someone to pray for me or my kid. I don't really mind where or how they pray, as long as its respectful and doesn't harm someone else. Maybe we don't all think Jesus is our Lord and Savior, but he was a good guy.
I guess I don't really see the problem here. What I'm saying is if your praying promoted peace, love, and unity then whats the deal?
If their prayers are not whole-hearted and sincere and respectful shouldn't they be called out as blasphemers (is that the right word?), and not just held accountable to man's law, as they seem to have no mind for it anyway??
I would expect if someone was secure in his or her belief, then they wouldn't be offended by someone else practicing their religious rites. Isn't understanding a key value of religion, for both parties involved?
I just watched a film about Waco, TX and the Branch Davidians. The prayer arguement reminds me of that situation. Our gov't and their employees murdered those people. Fighting doesn't seem like a very good solution to me.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 1, 2009 23:36:16 GMT -5
Read my last comment on the paper arcticle PM.
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Post by Laura on Sept 1, 2009 23:43:43 GMT -5
I guess I didnt get the whole picture. My internet has been down for the past few days. I sure have missed you guys! A moment of silence would have better suited the occasion, especially since the issue has been discussed. A moment of silence would have allowed everyone to pray or not pray however they wished.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 1, 2009 23:47:18 GMT -5
Down, your on dialup?
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Post by elmo on Sept 2, 2009 10:56:52 GMT -5
Well the "Rag" is at it again, after reading the Editorial Comment made by Jacob Bremby on last Friday's prayer at the game, sounds to me he is Inciting the public to break the law. He is calling for the same thing to happen at the next game and he will provide the Megaphone. And Emerald's comments are very disturbing to me to say the least. Calling all of us Atheist's because we chose to uphold our "Right" not to be subjected to this behavior and to uphold the law. Yes it was planned, it was a stick it in your face to the Citizens of this county and surrounding counties, as well as federal law and the ACLU, don't you think that the local TV stations in Tally need to be aware of this, I for one do and am making my call now.!!!!!
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Post by papredoll on Sept 2, 2009 11:43:39 GMT -5
Well the "Rag" is at it again, after reading the Editorial Comment made by Jacob Bremby on last Friday's prayer at the game, sounds to me he is Inciting the public to break the law. He is calling for the same thing to happen at the next game and he will provide the Megaphone. And Emerald's comments are very disturbing to me to say the least. Calling all of us Atheist's because we chose to uphold our "Right" not to be subjected to this behavior and to uphold the law. Yes it was planned, it was a stick it in your face to the Citizens of this county and surrounding counties, as well as federal law and the ACLU, don't you think that the local TV stations in Tally need to be aware of this, I for one do and am making my call now.!!!!! They claim to be Christians. I think they just want attention - negative or positive. It's all the same to them. It seems to be kind of a day care center run by the children.
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