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Post by papredoll on Aug 29, 2009 0:21:53 GMT -5
This is a video taped at the Madison Cowboys football game from last night. I wasn't there but someone sent me this link.
The Description on Youtube: Fans stand and say the Lord's Prayer, led by Rich Quackenbush before the opening of the Madison County High School vs. Florida High Kickoff Classic on August 28, 2009. Video by Michael Curtis, who helped plan this with Quackenbush and Jason Archambault. Way to go, guys. Way to go, Madison County!
This is on Jacob Bembry's YouTube channel. Read the description. I think Madison will know who to thank when the ACLU tears it a new one. There's another version of it from another angle on his channel that shows all the coaches praying too. Notice the names involved in this insanity.
Watch this version too
In spite of a ruling forced by the ACLU that there could be no prayer at school events, including football games, members of the crowd, said the Lord's Prayer after the band played "The Star Spangled Banner" on August 28, 2009. No school officials took part in the prayer. Yea, Madison County.
BS! You can see the coaches praying!
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Post by thevoice on Aug 29, 2009 1:18:03 GMT -5
I was there to film the game. I guess it would have been okay if the school staff didn't get involved. I downloaded the MP4 version of the videos. In one you can clearly see the coaches praying. This is going to be the nails in the coffin for the ACLU vs. The school board. What were they thinking?
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Post by madisonnative on Aug 29, 2009 6:51:58 GMT -5
Madison gets dumber by the minute. They are begging to get sued and guess who will get to pay the fine - us taxpayers. If the fines came out of their pockets I bet they would figure it out real soon.
Where is our school board and what on earth are they thinking?
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Post by theenforcer on Aug 29, 2009 12:09:04 GMT -5
Did the coaches pray by themselves or did they pray with students ? I attended the class that was given to the school board & admin . by an attorney from Tallahassee & the point of whether this was legal or illegal as I recall was based on whether coaches & staff prayed in a group with students . If the coaches prayed by themselves & students were not directly in this then according to the class this was legal . Also , players that wanted to could have a prayer if they separated themselves from the rest of the team & no adults participated . As far as the crowd goes & prayer , I do not know about the legality . It would seem to me that , unless those that wanted a prayer were seated separately , this would infringe on the rights of those that may not care for this type of activity . On that basis it may or may not be illegal though being on public property during a school sanctioned activity may make it questionable : I do not know . This is all about the fundamentalists testing the court rulings & letting the community know who is in charge here . Sadly , this will only stop when the taxpayers through the school board get their ass sued off .
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Post by dobbie on Aug 29, 2009 12:23:23 GMT -5
Thank God for people that are not afraid of aclu. All you that is against God,You are in for a battle. It would be well for all to join the ones that prayed. What are the people going to do when things get harder. Just look at whats happening.I'd rather stand for Jesus and let the world go by.We as people have rights to. Most of all God is not silent just wait ans see.
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Post by dobbie on Aug 29, 2009 12:29:26 GMT -5
They shall lay hands on you andpersecute you,deliveringyou up to the synagogues,and into prisons,being brought before Kings and rulers for my name sake. This is only a spiritual warfare. Lets see who wins. The aclu may win a battle,but God will win the war.
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Post by papredoll on Aug 29, 2009 15:38:07 GMT -5
Check out the article on the MFV by Mike Kirkland. He really nails it. It wasn't about beliefs, it was about Christian Army Tactics. Babies acting out like babies.
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Post by theenforcer on Aug 29, 2009 15:52:25 GMT -5
Someone should forward the prayer videos to the ACLU in Tallahassee for review . Then to do fair reporting , Mr. Voice should interview Richard Benham whom I believe is in charge of the ACLU office there & school superintendent Lou Miller for their take on this situation . Fair & balanced reporting .
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Post by theenforcer on Aug 29, 2009 16:15:06 GMT -5
Another good source for interview would be the attorney from FADS (Florida Association of District School Superintendents ) that gave the class on prayer in the schools to the school board & admin. .
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Post by mikek on Aug 29, 2009 17:55:49 GMT -5
I don't think that the folks in question did anything illegal. I don't think the school had any official part in this. It seemed to be citizen led and initiated and the teachers who participated had every right to do so.
Now, I do think it was silly, childish, and an absolutely ridiculous display of idiocy, but I don't think it was illegal or unconstitutional.
They're annoying, just like crazy street preachers or the cat lady, but i don't think they're lawbreakers, at least in this video.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 29, 2009 18:16:02 GMT -5
Madison gets dumber by the minute. They are begging to get sued and guess who will get to pay the fine - us taxpayers. If the fines came out of their pockets I bet they would figure it out real soon. Where is our school board and what on earth are they thinking? They don't give a rats a**. Hell, they still have Michael Curtis volunteering, he has no integrity.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 29, 2009 18:26:05 GMT -5
Check out the article on the MFV by Mike Kirkland. He really nails it. It wasn't about beliefs, it was about Christian Army Tactics. Babies acting out like babies. Yep. Dobbie, We have rights, and one is freedom of speech, and one is of religion, but we do not have the freedom to push our beliefs upon other people. Furthermore any christian that says it's good to do so, is not leading by example, but making and example of themselves and how intolerant they are. The founding fathers knew that we had to be tolerant of everyone else, which is why they made the freedom of religion and speech 2 of the rights in the bill of rights. Here is a sad video. Very sad. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppQhleVuWPM&feature=relatedOh and for everyone to look at, this explains a lot about and off topic topic, lol. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bffI10DDj-c&feature=relatedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=YCJ9v_-aJho&feature=related
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Post by theenforcer on Aug 29, 2009 19:05:28 GMT -5
Mike , I believe this was planned in advance (look at the G.P. personnel involved ) & then orchestrated . Whether this part of the show was illegal , I do not know .
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Post by mikek on Aug 29, 2009 19:45:25 GMT -5
As long as it wasn't planned by the school or representatives of the school, I don't think it can be a violation of the establishment clause. Maybe I should say that another way, I think it would be difficult to prove (and rather pointless IMO) that any school official was involved in the planning. I think it would be a red herring to follow that train of thought at this point.
I'm going to simply assume that this event was student or citizen led and initiated and focus on that. Because if THAT is the case, then I stand with them in their freedom to speak up, speak out, and look like idiots. It makes my job of deconstructing christian stupidity much, much easier.
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Post by papredoll on Aug 29, 2009 20:16:38 GMT -5
To me it looked like a few people trying to make the crowd think they care about the "Christians" and would do anything for God, despite the ACLU lawsuit. I can understand one of them trying to take credit after his big plagiarism bust. I can also see why HE would think this childish act was going to help raise his gutter level standing in the community up to the curb. Instead I think it reinforced what I always thought of him.
What's scary is how many people will blindly follow this kind of crap. This would have been a good time to blow one of those cannister horns until it ran out of air. You could pass it of as "It's my Horny Religion". I bet over half the people in the crowd followed along in fear of what the person standing next to them was thinking.
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